UT fans...what happened?

**1inStripes** · October 9th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Grudens a pretty dang good coach. I enjoy listening to him do the broadcasts of Monday night games as well so far.

The problem with trading a coach for two 1st round picks is when you replace him with a terrible coach and make even worse decisions with your first rounds picks. That is when it is stupid to do.

**UTVols2** · October 9th, 2009, 02:03 PM

I agree about listening to Gruden doing Monday Night Football, he is good. You can tell he gets excited and would like to say more than he does. I think it kills Jaws for him to be on there because normally Jaws is the go to guy when talking about football because you have had Miller and Kornhieser on there the last few years and they were just fill ins really that contributed every now and then. Gruden wants to talk about every play and Jaws can barely get a word in edge wise.

**sup-rbeast** · October 9th, 2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

Grudens a pretty dang good coach. I enjoy listening to him do the broadcasts of Monday night games as well so far.

The problem with trading a coach for two 1st round picks is when you replace him with a terrible coach and make even worse decisions with your first rounds picks. That is when it is stupid to do.

It's not like they had to hire Bill Callahan..he sucks as well.

**duckmeat** · October 9th, 2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

Wonder who the Head Coach in Oakland was when the 1st year of Russell's career was wasted?

When he signed late? You can't blame that on Kiffin. Facts are facts though, he has gotten worse not better since Kiffin's departure.

And what Stripes said about replacing them with a worse coach, and not picking well at all is exactly what I'm getting at. Nobody is going to do good in Oakland until Davis is done. You can't blame Kiffin for what went on in Oakland, especially when he was only given 16 or so games. Didn't they also have the number one overall pick when he was hired, meaning they were the worst team? I mean honestly Suprbeast, I'm ready to hear your exact reasoning as to why he sucks. So far, you haven't made me see anything except for the fact that you hate him and you aren't looking past that at all.

**Biggin** · October 9th, 2009, 04:03 PM

You cant say that Russell has gotten worse since Kiffin left.

Kiffin coached 4 games in 2008, Russell had his best statistical chunk the last 12 games of 2008.

Going by stats, he got better when Kiffin initally left.